Okay, so I apologize if this is un poco negativo. I talked to a music store owner here in Gracia who said that Barcelona is the least musical city in Spain, at least in terms of live (pop, rock, folk, alternative) music and busking! Now, I'm hoping he's just a sour apple, but he went into detail: pubs being closed down for having live music, barely any decent rock venues, a culture of older people who don't respect it and don't want "noise", etc....., and playing on the street? you have to have a license you have to audition for...not such a bad thing, but you have to wait months for it to come, and sometimes they won't give it to you if they don't think your style fits with the culture, and often people equate busking here with begging and just "noise".....is this the only city in Europe who's as backwards about a liberated street and bar music culture as America??!!! You'd think a city who's tourist industry is riding on the tails of such a maveric as Gaudi wouldn't be so tight about letting some good music accompany his wonderful/strange buildings.
Okay that's the end of my rant.....PLEASE prove this guy wrong, tell me about cool open mics and any decent cafe with live music or even communities of people that have parties where there's good musicians...I know its not good to take ONE local's opinion too seriously...but I'm a little concerned...
Okay that's the end of my rant.....PLEASE prove this guy wrong, tell me about cool open mics and any decent cafe with live music or even communities of people that have parties where there's good musicians...I know its not good to take ONE local's opinion too seriously...but I'm a little concerned...
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Re: bummed in Barcelona
Sat, August 11, 2007 - 1:08 AMJamboree does open mike on Mondays.
Let me see what's up with that. -
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Re: bummed in Barcelona
Sat, August 11, 2007 - 6:50 AMJamboree is a great place,
and not so expensive
you should check the ramblas, instead of garcia, which is much more posh -
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Sat, August 11, 2007 - 7:11 AMgracia is like beverly hills
ramblas is like the venice boardwalk.
not an exact fit, but i think you get my point.
last year the mayor of barcelona was talking about trying to emulate rudy giuliani's "success" w/nyc.
that might explain some of your experience/perception.
melanie, are you talking about the "wtf sessions" at jamboree? those are pretty *jazz* oriented. -
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Sat, August 11, 2007 - 9:10 AM
<<<melanie, are you talking about the "wtf sessions" at jamboree? those are pretty *jazz* oriented.>>>
ha, ha,
I forgot.
I think they're pretty hip-hop, r&b, reved/oriented as well.
Hey!
I was only trying to help!
Perhaps he could set up shop at the entrance!
...with a big sign that says..."Devent al ajuntament i el llei dels Vagos i Malignes, tinc treballar sense dret il·luminar la ciutat Condal.
Moltes Gracies el gran puta de xxxx...FRANCO."
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Sat, August 11, 2007 - 10:55 AMCan you translate that, Mel? I'm very excited to see what exactly the Franco reference is, as I have thought about him a couple times the last two days!
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Re: bummed in Barcelona
Sat, August 11, 2007 - 8:29 AMYes, I wonder why all those tourists think Barcelona is full of live and great music. When I got here in '88 Womad came through for a few years. The build up to the Olympics was great.
As time goes on, the local gov. does make more restrictions for buskers and live (even recorded) music in bars and cafes. Eli mentioned pop, rock, folk, alternative, I'd add ethnic music. There is the Grec once a year, which gets way more expensive each year.
Also when there is live music, one has to suffer through lots of 2nd hand smoke.
Out here in Sitges, though we have many of the same problems as BCN, lately there is live music on Thursdays and fridays at a Terrace Bar near us. A monthly night at a Ajuntamiento venue just started last night with Calima playing followed by most of Calima playing Salsa music and then a belly dance performance. Lots of fun.
So please Eli tell all those tourists NOT to come to BCN for the music or at all, so the rest of us can get things done when we have to be in City. -
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Sat, August 11, 2007 - 11:02 AMAh yes, sweet old anti-tourism : ) This is my karma for ranting against the tourists who come in DROVES to MY home town Santa Cruz, CA. And although I'd like to qualify and say I'm NOT a tourist, but a travelling musician and cultural/spiritual student (I did NOT come here for the sights), I do feel your pain, Ln, and will try not to clog up the streets with my bicycle and try not to take too many pictures in my aloha shirt. ; ) -
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Sat, August 11, 2007 - 6:20 PM<will try not to clog up the streets with my bicycle and try not to take too many pictures in my aloha shirt. ; ) > Bless you. And don't forget not to stand in the middle of the sidewalk or at the top of the stairs in the metro with a huge map open, k?
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Thu, August 16, 2007 - 8:25 AMThe live music restriction in BCN is news to me. I was hoping to go to some live shows while in Barcelona. I live in Portland, Oregon and the live local music scene is thriving here, and it is very good for this small city. Before I leave for Spain in September I will be at Music Fest Northwest which is a long weekend of live music. Around 50 local and national bands will be playing at different venues in Portland. You buy a wrist band and then you can go to all of the shows...a very good time!
Eli, let me know what you find as far as live music goes in Barcelona. I will be in the city September 14th. Will you still be there? -
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Re: bummed in Barcelona
Sun, August 19, 2007 - 9:50 AMHi Page,
Well.....everyone including you will be interested to know that my perception has changed and deepened to some degree. Some of those impressions that locals and ex-pats were giving me are still very true.....just incomplete, depending on your attitude and how you choose to look at it. First of all, my rant and the info that triggered it are focused on particular areas, i.e. 1) busking and 2) the extent of rock/alt/folk/funk/jam/indie/lo-fi/experimental/alt-pop/trance-pop/etc venues (he he, that was fun) (possibly what is thriving in Portland?).
The reports were that busking laws have tightened recently...cops checking for a license in the more touristy spots (which takes months and an audition to acquire), PLUS not a big tipping culture, PLUS a main-stream money-minded cut-throat business culture in the city that fuels one of the biggest economies in all of Spain.
One ex-pat acquaintence lived in Giuliani's NYC when he was "cleaning up" the town, getting rid of the cool bohemian textures along with the riff-raff and crime and upscaling the "image" of the city (much as has happened in many cities around the world, including SF and London). She says what's happened here is very much the same. And yes, that extends to some of the clubs and hipster hang-outs. Some have been given trouble for being alternative and music has been shut down, but I don't know the whole extent of that story. One street over from me in my neighborhood (Gracia) we stumbled upon a magical little live-work art/music space where some beautiful people were scraping by with their gorgeous lifestyle, staying true to their hearts and imagination......BUT Ingrid, from Tabasco Mexico, said that they have to move out of the city soon because the police are giving them trouble, she claims due the alternative-ness of she and her compatriots.
HOWEVER, none of this means that music is dead here!!! It thrives in so many ways. And quite ironically, I was focused enough on these dismaying reports that I missed what was right in front of my nose! There happens to be a little music club right in my hood called the Electric Cafe that has stuff almost every night, including three bands from SF this past Friday!!
And the most hilarious in-front-of-my-nose (literally!) instance is La Festa Major de Gracia. This one warrants a HUGE Oh. My. Fucking. Gawd. If Mardi Gras is still building back up since Katrina, then y'all gotta come to this one next year kids. Off the hook. There's a massive stage with a PRO sound system in my little sqaue RIGHT underneath my window. Granted, this particular stage has been mostly jukebox cover bands, but very fun and excellent and exuberant. I come home every night to literally 600 people under my window singing along to Bohemian Rhapsody and Alanis Morisette and Prince and other rock/main-stream-alt/pop hits from the 80's and 90's. Talk about under my nose!! But the rest of the square mile of steamy, cobblestone, outrageously decorated streets and squares are filled with other kinds of music: amazing swing in the jungle zone (it's REALLY like you're in a think jungle!), folk in that square, ska in the other, punk here, jazz there, and OH! here's a street that's adorned like its under water! and here's a paper machet mountain with a tunnel going through it.......you get the idea....who needs burningman? Check my tribe site soon for more blogs and PHOTS of this.
So, during high tourist season, yer gonna get some festivals like this, which are fun and lively. And year-round some great flamenco, other little gritty clubs that have survived, and a creative and inspiring culture and environment that produces waves of world-renowned contemporary music and art. And people are excited about it and talkative.
I also found out that you can busk here if you slide between the cracks and try different spots. I got up on my stilts last night and sang my heart out in the middle of Festa Gracia and made 40 euro in 2 hours and had the time of my life. And I'm just warming up.
In the end, it's still a bit of a mystery. When the honeymoon ends, it could start to seem a little limited. That's probably the place my informants are in after being here a long time or all their life. And that's the risk of getting local opinions; like all of us do, they get a little tired of home and its faults and sometimes have a hard time really seeing what IS still good. And granted, this IS a particluarly weird time in Barcelona, but I have found that to be the case EVERYWHERE.
Money-wise, possibly I won't make more than 50% or 60% of what I could in other euro towns. But the culture and beauty feed me here in other ways. I'm taking it a step at a time, and always open to taking off to France or back to London.
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Sun, August 19, 2007 - 10:01 AMguess i better not mention anything about that secret spot in sitges, eh?
DOH!! <slaps forehead>
i'm glad you've got a more rounded opinion now. but like you said good stuff/bad stuff just like everywhere.
i think things have been exacerbated by the "barcelona is hot" attitude driving so much tourism and immigration right now.
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Sun, August 19, 2007 - 7:01 PMWhat you describe about La Festa Major de Gracia sounds very cool, I would love to see photos! And I am happy to hear that there are cafes that have live bands playing. I don't think it is possible to silence the musicians, even in a very business oriented city that is concerned about the cultural validity of the music played in its streets and cafes. I appreciate the desire to preserve a region's culture, and music is an important part of that. I don't think that it is necessary to censor new music and musicians. All musical genres have complex roots and influences. I don't know much about the history of music in Catalunya, but I'm sure it did not develop in a vacuum. I guess what I want to say is that culture including music will continue to develop and change. It just surprises me that people want to put restrictions on music. I see live music of most genres as something that generally brings people together in a way that creates opportunity for more diverse cultural understanding as well as musical innovation.
Anyway, I'm glad that the streets and cafes of Barcelona are not silent. I may have to stop by the Electric Cafe while I am in Barcelona. If you are still around, maybe I will see you there. -
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Sun, August 19, 2007 - 10:28 PMYou may want to read my friend Josep's blog about music, he's a professor of history of culture at l'Escola Superior de Música de Catalunya (Esmuc) and very Catalan.
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Re: bummed in Barcelona
Mon, August 20, 2007 - 10:35 AMThis won't be based on the most up-to-date observations - I haven't been in Barcelona in 5 years, and haven't spent more than a few weeks there since '96 - but one difference I noticed between Barcelona and those North American & UK cities that are scene-y is that there is more of a sharp line in BCN between the "above-ground" and "underground" scenes. Where "Time Out" in the UK or (for example) "The Stranger" in Seattle or the "Village Voice" in NYC will give listings of almost any music event that asks, the "Guia del Ocio" in Barcelona simply won't list things that aren't pretty mainstream. A dozen anarchists who put together an all-ages show of 6 good bands can get it listed in the music event guides in the major US & UK cities. In BCN, they have to publicize by word of mouth and flyposting. Similarly (consequently?) there is much less crossover of people. In Seattle, where I live now, Hempfest (which just took place this weekend) could get a permit to set up 5 stages in a major city park for a weekend, drew about 100,000 attendees, etc., but definitely maintains a pretty underground flavor (it's a festival for trying to get pot legalized, after all). In BCN, you can smoke your pot pretty much openly, but (as far as I can tell) you could never get the city's cooperation to run a pro-pot festival on this scale. The social lines are sharper. A bunch of stoners (or people perceived as a bunch of stoners) couldn't get the sort of access (to talk to the police brass, the city council, etc.) in BCN that they could in pretty much any West Coast US or Canadian city, most UK cities, etc. (East Coast US may be a bit more like BCN this way.) -
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Mon, August 20, 2007 - 5:12 PMMaybe I should just start a new topic, but I would like to know more about the political system in Spain. Is it "Socialist"? And if so what exactly does that mean for Spain? Evidently it doesn't mean being inclusive to all people and their music. I imagine the healthcare system is better than in the states, but that isn't hard to do!
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Mon, August 20, 2007 - 8:47 PMhttp:// joseppujol.bloc.cat
(copy that and paste into your browser--delete the space between "http:// " and "josep...")
yup, very catalan. -
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Mon, August 20, 2007 - 10:19 PMstrange, the link was whole when I pasted it, you can even see the t of .cat but when you click on it you don't go to the correct page... -
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Re: bummed in Barcelona
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 1:35 AMa mi me funcionó,
i es mès!
Esta escrit en Català!!
=)))´
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Re: bummed in Barcelona
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 9:26 AM<strange, the link was whole when I pasted it>
i tried it a few times before i posted it that way--it's a tribe glitch, i think.
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